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Hoopdawg's avatar

I concur that the original Conflict vs. Mistake post was uniquely bad, for the reasons you name.

But later on, this happened: https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/02/14/addendum-to-targeting-meritocracy/

...at which point I'm ready to give Scott a full benefit of the doubt. He just honestly, genuinely didn't get it. A tool that we take for granted was just completely missing from his conceptual toolbox. No matter how clumsy (and necessarily biased) his early attempts to acquire it were, they did eventually lead him to flawlessly pass an ideological Turing test where he previously couldn't. This is a success story.

(Of one uniquely open-minded individual. It did not generalize, the terminology encountered randomly in a wild is, admittedly, a reliable red flag, not of the labor variety.)

(This should be a sober reminder of how freakishly difficult it is to communicate across ideological bubbles. Also, of Hanlon's razor.)

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Arie's avatar

According to Scott:

> Mistake theorists think that free speech and open debate are vital, the most important things. Imagine if your doctor said you needed a medication from Pfizer – but later you learned that Pfizer owned the hospital, and fired doctors who prescribed other companies’ drugs, and that the local medical school refused to teach anything about non-Pfizer medications, and studies claiming Pfizer medications had side effects were ruthlessly suppressed. It would be a total farce, and you’d get out of that hospital as soon as possible into one that allowed all viewpoints.

> Conflict theorists think of free speech and open debate about the same way a 1950s Bircher would treat avowed Soviet agents coming into neighborhoods and trying to convince people of the merits of Communism. Or the way the average infantryman would think of enemy planes dropping pamphlets saying “YOU CANNOT WIN, SURRENDER NOW”. Anybody who says it’s good to let the enemy walk in and promote enemy ideas is probably an enemy agent.

Let me offer my own perspective

Mistake theorist think that government control over speech is essential. There are after all many ideas that could be very harmful when spread. And that are attractive to great numbers of people because they are so persuasive, even when they are wrong. Other ideas are extremely valuable, but would be ignored if some coercion didn't help them along. People should of course be free to think up new thoughts to some extend, but the benevolent government should set strict limits. Of course they are much better equipped to do this than the general public (especially when it comes to political opinions). After all, their entire lives are spend thinking about governance. And they will hire people that have expertise in distinguishing good ideas from bad ones. Much more so than the ordinary citizen, who often knows very little about politics.

Conflict theorist say that you should never let anyone restrict your speech. They think that the interest of governments is fundamentally at odds with the public. The governments wants to make themselves look better than they are, and opponents worse. If you let a small minority control speech, they will use their power to serve their own ends. The only way to ensure that the public debate reflects everyone's interest is to enshrine everyone's right to participate in the debate, and to deny anyone the opportunity to hide truth or perspectives inconvenient for themselves. The "free market place of ideas" will not always let the best ideas win, but that is a price worth paying to deny the powerful from a tool of repression.

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