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Ziggy's avatar

Brad DeLong cited you, which led me to this post. I don't quite read Berlin the same way you do. I read Berlin as viewing negative liberty as hand tools: safe even for klutzes and useful, but of limited effectiveness. Positive liberty, in my view of his view, was more like power tools: very useful if used properly, but dangerous if not. Think chainsaw. Will polities "read the manual before using"? Opinions differ.

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>The claim that the interests of the state may justify the unwilling sacrifice of the life of a citizen, Rousseau says

>>The social treaty has for its end the preservation of the contracting parties. He who wills the end wills the means also, and the means must involve some risks, and even some losses. He who wishes to preserve his life at others expense should also, when it is necessary, be ready to give it up for their sake. Furthermore, the citizen is no longer the judge of the dangers to which the law desires him to expose himself; and when the prince says to him: "It is expedient for the State that you should die," he ought to die, because it is only on that condition that he has been living in security up to the present, and because his life is no longer a mere bounty of nature, but a gift made conditionally by the State.

...from The Social Contract, sound quite different. Do you know what happened there?

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